Wild growths in vegetation or other matter invade all empty space..

Nature is like that..

Wild growths in vegetation or other matter invade  all empty space..

And it is impossible to find completely empty space anywhere.

Maybe space is filled with air, light, electromagnetic waves etc..

But empty? No

And even the theory of black holes, where scientists presume that everything gets absorbed and nothing is left behind in the environs of huge gravitational field, the theory is on the basis of an estimation based on Einsteins relativity and Plancks theory.. and ultimately the uncertainty rules at sub half hn (ech nue) stage.( Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, is any of a variety of mathematical inequalities asserting a fundamental limit to the precision with which certain pairs of physical properties of a particle known as complementary variables, such as position x and momentum p, can be known simultaneously.)

Our Karma theory also presumes that every person is born because he has some past bad karma to expiate, and where can be such old data stored except in the mind.?

If only perfection remains with the Jeeva, then he has no reason to be born at all.

And every attempt in realization of any human being is to clean at least part of the mind and fill it with more useful things.

Like growing some flower plants after clearing some small area of a garden of weeds and shrub and nurturing them diligently and as time passes, and our care becomes sustained, the entire garden is full of flowers and the weeds are eliminated..

The mind also evolves.. But the mind itself has to do the cleaning process too without much assistance from any external agencies...

Hindus believe, and such belief appears to be logical too, that the mind gets reasonable levels of purity through interactions with minds which have already been purified.

.Shankara put it with ease.. as Satsangatwe Nissangatwam.. सत्सन्गत्वे निस्सङ्गत्वम्

But there can be greater goals.. getting relieved of all desires, then managing to get quietude of the mind and the final emancipation... Nirmohatwam, nischala tattwam and jeevanmukhti..निर्मोहत्वम्, निश्चल तत्त्वम् , जीवन्मुक्ति

The mind may be compared to a mirror.. Shankara considered the universe as Darpanam.. vis a vis mind.. but in reality, if one side of the mirror is considered as the object, the other side is the image..

Nothing wrong in inverting the order..

But the dividing surface should be optically plane..

No curvature, no bends on the surface..

But there too the condition of being optically plane surface is an ideal defined in Optics..

something like absolute zero in thermodynamics.. a situation we can strive to obtain but could only arrive at in imagination and not in reality..

So distortions are inevitable..

And the theories I find in Hinduism are never much at divergence from logic.. And where the logic of ordinary nature fails the thinkers never shirked from admitting the limitations..

So what is discussed with reference to Hindu or Indian systems can be presented with reasonable confidence, even to an atheistic audience without being branded as obscurantist...

But to ask for proof for things which can be only inferred through induction and deduction .. is asking for something which is not possible..

And when we analyze the mind we have to enter the realms beyond language and many things can be understood only from a mind to mind, beyond language and even symbolic logic..

Normally our thoughts are finding expression in words, using language..

Just remember the upanishadic words..

yato vacho nivartanthey apraapya manasaa saha.. 

यतो वाचो निवर्तन्ते अप्राप्य मनसा सह

"where the words just come back with great speed, being rendered incapable of keeping pace with the mind.."

We talk of getting images of very small particles using electronic or nuclear imaging.. using the implements like electron microscopes etc, nowadays precise even at nano levels..

But what we get is only an image, and if we try to depend merely on raw logic, we will reach a stage where we may have to admit that the assertion that the image resembles the original is only an assumption, which we have to believe at some stage without proof..