Does God take away our sins ? Not at all.

Does God take away our sins ? Not at all...

नादत्ते कस्यचित् पापं न चैव सुकृतं विभुः।

अज्ञानेनावृतं ज्ञानं तेन मुह्यन्ति जन्ताः॥गीता ५-१५

nādatte kasyacit pāpam na caiva sukṛtam vibhuḥ|

ajñānenāvṛtam jñānam tena muhyanti jantāḥ||gītā 5-15

In Gita ch V sloka 15, it is categorically declared that God or other agency would not share or take away ones punyam ( accumulation of results of good deeds)or papam (accumulation of results of bad deeds or sins )..

A discussion on it..

" What I understand is this..

The lord or Paramatma (the soul supreme) is an impartial witness and the Jeevatma(the divine soul present in individual living beings) is also a witness, who gets mildly ruffled by any deed, good or bad done by the subject body driven or propelled by its vagaries of Karma..

This is the Dvaita or even Visishta advaita interpretation.

Even for the slightly perturbed jeevaatma, such lack of balance is just temporary, and it attains neutrality in a very short time.

For the Advaitin, the Atma is simply not concerned at all ..

The Atma is the driving force or God ( or God Himself).

The good or bad work is done by the peripheral body, and a wrong functioning would have led to some Papam.. and this Papam is not the work or the concern of the Atma, who is just a witness..

The Atma would stand witness for the sin, and it would also stand witness to the subject body taking expiation or suffering as a recompense for the sin already incurred.

Something like this we assessing officers do..(in taxation department too.. that is my familiar ground)

We can the watch aberration in tax compliance.. if the tax paid is excess, we give the refund..

If the tax paid is less, we demand and collect.

But we are not affected.. and neither the collected tax nor the refunded tax must in any way enrich or impoverish us the officers personally.

We can take the case of a machine driven by fuel and mechanical systems..

There are at least three essential stages..

The burning or combustion of the fuel in some sort of tank or receptacle is the first stage..

The energy coming out of combustion being converted into mechanical or motive energy through pistons, crankshafts etc is the second stage..

The third stage is the actual production..

The motive energy runs certain contraptions to give some productive result..

The stage of burning the fuel, and the implements for that just produces the motive force, and it is not concerned about the purpose for which that force is applied.

The machine system or the second system also is more or less similar, but as an interface between the neutral combustion tank and the producing final machine, some retro process from the final one can affect the second stage..

And in the third or final stage, if the nuts and bolts are not properly fitted, if the cutting or grinding or bending systems work below par level, the product is affected, and if the machine is exerted against optimum norms of use, the system crashes, or the parts get damaged,,

The first stage of the engine and the second one too in the Advaita system can be equated to the neutral observers who may watch or ever give power for the third stage, but would not either concern themselves with the right or wrong use of the third stage, which is the performing body, which has to face the consequences for wrong and faulty use, wear and tear etc..

In the Dwaita or Visishtaadvaita, the first stage namely the combustion system is the unconcerned Paramatma, and somewhat concerned but not seriously concerned Jeevatma is the energy converting system.

Only the doer and his implements viz the body in flesh ultimately has to face the consequences..

Here the doer is not the Atma embedded or supposed to be occupying or keeping company with the Karmic body